Curse

Dark Kal · Aug 08, 2008, 08:34 AM // 08:34

My idea is fairly simple. Have an NPC that will undedicate any dedicated miniature for a price depending on it's color.

White - 10K
Purple - 25k
Gold - 50/75K
Green - 100K

The only problem with this system is those über rare miniatures which sell for loads of money, if necessary they could exclude them. This unruins IMO ruined miniatures without allowing people to abuse the Monument of Devotion. Suggestions, thoughts?

morgan · Aug 08, 2008, 08:57 AM // 08:57

Sorry but its a bit of a silly idea really.

Dedicating doesn't "ruin" minis, it is effectivly you saying "this mini is MY mini".

Even if you just had this effect not so rare mini pets, a pet would still end up dedicated in loads of different people's Halls, which i think defeats the point of putting a pet in there.

I like knowing that MY Ceratadon can only ever be seen in MY hall and will only ever be seen in MY hall

Dark Kal · Aug 08, 2008, 09:06 AM // 09:06

Dedicated miniatures can still be used by other people, it doesn't work like customization works. The only reason Dedication exists is to prevent people from abusing the Monument of Devotion. All miniatures look the same, your Ceratadon looks exactly the same as mine does. It only ruins the miniatures in my opinion, your opinion is allowed to differ from mine. Practically it won't ever be implimented so that doesn't matter, I'm only intrested in other people's ideas.

David Wooding · Aug 08, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15

The whole idea of the hall of monuments is that it is a monument to YOUR achievements, not someone elses achievement that you've "undedicated" so you can show it too. If this was implemented, which I doubt it will, the prices of minipets would go down dramatically, therefore ruining a major section of the GW economy.

IMO: Stupid idea.

Gill Halendt · Aug 08, 2008, 09:35 AM // 09:35

I'd rather have an option to REMOVE stuff from the Hall, so that perhaps you could remove dedication AND exposition alltogether.

Dark Kal · Aug 08, 2008, 09:45 AM // 09:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Wooding

The whole idea of the hall of monuments is that it is a monument to YOUR achievements, not someone elses achievement that you've "undedicated" so you can show it too. If this was implemented, which I doubt it will, the prices of minipets would go down dramatically, therefore ruining a major section of the GW economy.

IMO: Stupid idea.

People sell undedicated miniatures all the time so your point about "YOUR archievements" is completely void. The Monument of Devotion is a moneypit nothing more, nothing less. Most miniatures can be bought for less money from players than my undedication NPC. Even the difference people sell undedicated versus decated miniatures is cheaper for most miniatures. Hence why my NPC will have no negative influence on the economy. Personally the insane profits made over über rare miniatures is a much bigger GW economic concern in my opinion. The only thing my idea may negatively impact is these über rare miniatures, although I'm not sure.

Dark Kal · Aug 08, 2008, 09:49 AM // 09:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

I'd rather have an option to REMOVE stuff from the Hall, so that perhaps you could remove dedication AND exposition alltogether.

Any intresting thought but what if people reaped the reward from the monument in GW2 and then removed all their miniatures from the monument? Obviously there would have to be something to prevent this but otherwise also an excelent idea I may add.

Kanyatta · Aug 08, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Wooding

The whole idea of the hall of monuments is that it is a monument to YOUR achievements

Is "WTB Unded Mursaat, 25k" really an "achievement"?

Would it cheapen Hall of Monuments? Yes
Would I really care? No
Would others really care? I'm sure some would.

It all depends on the person.

Personally, I say /sign, but I'm pretty sure I'll be in the minority.

MithranArkanere · Aug 08, 2008, 04:56 PM // 16:56

100k for a Kuunavang...?
Hm... nah...
I'd rather put the CE in the GW shop and let new ones enter the game than making Kuunavangs circle around all HoM like books in a library.

N1ghtstalker · Aug 08, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

no
has been already proposed and stupid
would stir up the mini market as well
/notsigned

MirkoTeran · Aug 08, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

/notsigned as it more or less kills Monument of Devotion. I would /sign it the "undedicating" process was only possible for the person who dedicated it and if the miniature would be removed from that person's HoM. And you need another set of prices for "limited edition" minis.

KoKoS · Aug 08, 2008, 11:00 PM // 23:00

/notsigned... it sounds like a waste of money and if it's not a waste of money it is a waste of time...
and time is money

Gill Halendt · Aug 09, 2008, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Kal

What if people reaped the reward from the monument in GW2 and then removed all their miniatures from the monument?

I don't think you'll get anything concrete as a reward, not something you can take and never give back. So if the "achievement" is removed from your HoM, you'll also loose whatever reward you have obtained with it.

Sparks Dawnbringer · Aug 09, 2008, 10:32 AM // 10:32

Sorry, no! You paid good money for it even though it was a bad idea. So you get to keep it. I think dedicated pets are the biggest waste of cash in the game.

Abedeus · Aug 09, 2008, 10:59 AM // 10:59

/unsigned

You bought dedicated, now buy unded or get lost ;d Jk, that's just a bad idea.

Elder III · Aug 09, 2008, 11:47 AM // 11:47

/no/unsigned/not a good idea

the whole purpose of that Monument is to demonstrate that you have worked to accomplish something... it's meant to be somewhat of a challenge... if you really think it's a good idea to be able to fill your HoM with 20 miniatures and then turn around and undedicate them to sell or to refill it for someone else than I have no words to describe your situation sir/maam

MithranArkanere · Aug 09, 2008, 12:58 PM // 12:58

As I've said in other suggestion sections, there is only ONE way I would admit something like this:

1.- The Monument of Devotion becomes account wide.
2.- Accounts must have more that 1 of that miniature before the change to account wide.
3.- Players must have one already dedicated copy of that miniature for each miniature of that kind they want to un-dedicate..
4.- The character can un-dedicate SURPLUS miniatures and ONLY the SURPLUS.

For example:
- You dedicated 1 Hydras: You cannot undedicate any.
- You dedicated 6 Wallows. You have no dedicated wallows in your inventory. You cannot undedicate any.
- You dedicated 3 Siege Turtles. You have 1 dedicated Siege Turle in your inventory. You can undedicate ONE Siege turtle.
- You dedicated 2 Necrid Horsemen. You have 4 dedicated Necrid Horsemen. You can undedicate 1
Necrid Horsmen.

That way and ONLY that. Otherwise, not.

BFG · Aug 09, 2008, 01:19 PM // 13:19

This would not be a good change, even for surplus miniatures. It would only devalue the miniatures and cheapen HoM dedications.

Div · Aug 10, 2008, 08:17 AM // 08:17

This is as bad a change as wanting to uncustomize weapons.

Dark Kal · Aug 11, 2008, 12:51 PM // 12:51

Hmm, ok please read the thread and don't just skim through it please. Let me say it again since it doesn't seem to be evident, you have to pay to undedicate miniatures, just in case that wasn't totally clear.

It does not devalue the monument. The majority of miniatures can be bought for much cheaper prices than my suggested prices. It is in fact much cheaper to just buy miniatures (excluding über rare ones) to fill the monument.
I question how much of an accomplishement is it to fill the monument? You either do absolutely nothing with a bunch of characters for a few years and get them for free, or you buy them from other players simular to how my idea works (only that mine is more expensive in most cases). So what exactly did you accomplish by not using my idea? You have accomplished that you can wait a really long time, or you have accomplished that you have enough social skills to buy them from other players? Wow, impressive
It is not cost effective to undedicated miniatures (excluding über rare ones) and try to resell them. In most cases it's more cost effective to just sell the dedicated miniature instead. you have to pay to undedicate miniatures. For that reason there will be no extra increase in miniatures since it would cost the player more to undedicate them first.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoKoS

/notsigned... it sounds like a waste of money and if it's not a waste of money it is a waste of time...
and time is money

How is that different from what the monument is now?

Noone would force you to use it so?